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Dr. John with Dr. Bernard | From Burnout to Belonging: A Physician’s Journey Through DPC

In this episode of the Voyage Clinics Podcast, Dr. John Sanders is ...

In this episode of the Voyage Clinics Podcast, Dr. John Sanders is joined by Dr. Bernard, a family physician in Florida, to explore the deeply human side of medicine. They ...begin by reflecting on their medical training, shared roots in family medicine, and the importance of balancing science with the art of care. Dr. Bernard describes her educational path—including her background in sociology—and explains how social sciences, psychology, and even theater have shaped her ability to connect with patients. Together, they emphasize that medicine is not purely technical; it is relational, creative, and profoundly influenced by empathy and communication.
Dr. Bernard then shares her powerful personal journey through rural medicine, federally qualified health centers, and hospital-based practice. She describes caring for high-need populations, navigating intense emotional trauma, and experiencing compassion fatigue and burnout within rigid, bureaucratic healthcare systems. Despite changing environments—from underserved migrant communities to affluent hospital settings—the systemic issues remained the same. This led to a dark period marked by depression and feeling trapped in a profession she once loved, ultimately prompting her to seek help and question whether she could continue practicing medicine at all.
The conversation culminates in a hopeful discussion of direct primary care (DPC) as a model that restores trust, time, autonomy, and healing—for both patients and physicians. Dr. Bernard explains how DPC allowed her to reclaim joy in medicine, build meaningful relationships, and rediscover her identity beyond burnout. Together, she and Dr. Sanders explore themes of physician wellness, emotional intelligence, cognitive behavioral tools, motivational interviewing, and the therapeutic power of trust. The episode closes with a shared conviction that rebuilding healthcare through relationship-centered care can heal trauma, sustain physicians, inspire future doctors, and ultimately bring humanity back to medicine.
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Dr. John and Dennis Walker | Fixing Employer Healthcare Through DPC

In this episode of the Voyage Clinics podcast, John sits down with ...

Dr. John and Neer Patel | Breaking the Chains of Healthcare with DPC-Centered Plans

In this episode of the Voyage Clinics Podcast, Dr. John Sanders sits ...

In this episode of the Voyage Clinics Podcast, Dr. John Sanders sits down with Neer Patel, a former engineer turned benefits innovator, whose wife, like Dr. Sanders, a Direct Primary ...Care physician. Together, they explore how their families have become advocates for a more transparent and values-driven healthcare system. Neer shares his journey from corporate America into healthcare entrepreneurship, explaining how his background in sales and marketing helped grow his wife’s DPC practice by educating both patients and business owners about the real costs of care and the power of the DPC model.

As their conversation deepens, Neer explains how repeated talks with business owners exposed a common problem: unsustainable insurance premiums that prevented employers from offering DPC memberships to their teams. Determined to solve it, he dove into the health insurance world and discovered how hidden network contracts and inflated claims drive up costs. That realization led him to co-found a company that removes traditional network contracts, brings transparency to pricing, and integrates DPC at the core of employer health plans, all designed to eliminate waste and return advocacy to the heart of healthcare.

Dr. Sanders and Neer discuss how Neer’s approach parallels the DPC movement itself, cutting out middlemen, focusing on real relationships, and giving patients and employers control over their healthcare dollars. By combining DPC’s personalized care with an actively managed, transparent coverage model, they demonstrate how businesses can provide better healthcare at lower costs while restoring trust, clarity, and compassion to the system.

Disclaimer: The content provided in this podcast is for informational purposes only and is not intended as medical advice nor as a substitute for professional medical consultation, diagnosis, or treatment. Always seek the advice of your physician or other qualified health provider with any questions you may have regarding a medical condition.Show More

Dr. John Sanders | How DPC is Changing the Game for Families and Businesses

In this podcast episode, Dr. John from Voyage Clinics, a Utah county ...

Dr. John and Darrell Moon | Trust, Relationships, and the Direct Primary Care Revolution

In this episode, Dr. John sits down with Darrell Moon, a nationally ...

In this episode, Dr. John sits down with Darrell Moon, a nationally recognized advocate for direct primary care (DPC), to explore the transformative potential of relationship-driven healthcare. Darrell shares his ...professional journey, from starting as a student helping run a small hospital in Utah to leading multiple hospitals and eventually focusing on healthcare reform. He emphasizes the importance of aligning healthcare delivery with the true customer—business leaders and patients—rather than the traditional system’s incentives, which often reward keeping hospitals full rather than improving patient outcomes.

The conversation considers the innovative NUCA healthcare system in Alaska, which prioritizes trust, long-term relationships, and a holistic approach to patient care, focusing on individuals’ life goals rather than just treating disease. The NUCA healthcare system divides patients into manageable groups and embeds a dedicated care team within each group in its efforts to foster deep relationships and deliver better outcomes at lower cost. Dr. John parallels this model to his own direct primary care clinics, emphasizing trust-building, long-term relationships, and a patient-centered approach that improves both outcomes and satisfaction.

Finally, the podcast addresses the broader implications of DPC for employers and employees. By placing direct primary care at the center of self-funded insurance plans, companies can reduce costs, improve employee health, and foster loyalty. The conversation underscores how transparency, high-quality referrals, and data-driven decision-making can reshape healthcare delivery, offering accessible, affordable, and trustworthy care while enhancing overall workforce wellbeing.

Disclaimer: The content provided in this podcast is for informational purposes only and is not intended as medical advice nor as a substitute for professional medical consultation, diagnosis, or treatment. Always seek the advice of your physician or other qualified health provider with any questions you may have regarding a medical condition.Show More

Dr. John with Chris Cox | Custom Solutions: Rethinking Pharmacy Through Compounding

This podcast explores the complex and evolving world of compounding ...

This podcast explores the complex and evolving world of compounding pharmacies, with a focus on how they provide customized solutions that go beyond what is commercially available. The conversation begins ...with the growing interest in peptides like BPC-157 and the lack of clear FDA guidance on their regulation. Practitioners and patients are left navigating uncertain territory where products may be inconsistently sourced or labeled as “not for human use,” raising important safety and trust concerns. The discussion highlights how regulatory oversight, while designed to protect the public, often creates barriers for innovation and patient access to potentially beneficial therapies.

From there, the conversation shifts into the practical and creative role compounding pharmacies play in patient care. Unlike traditional prescriptions, compounding allows for individualized formulations—whether that’s tailoring dermatology creams to reduce side effects, creating specialized GI or ENT preparations, or offering unique dosing options for children, pets, or patients with rare conditions. The art of compounding comes through in solving problems such as ensuring accurate dosing, removing air pockets from creams, or flavoring medications to improve compliance. Collaboration between pharmacists, clinicians, and patients is emphasized as the key to designing effective, “made-to-fit” therapies.

The episode also delves into bioidentical hormone replacement and GLP-1 therapies, both of which demonstrate the flexibility and value of compounding. Bioidentical hormones, though historically controversial, are shown to be chemically identical to natural hormones, offering tailored options that can improve quality of life for both men and women when used responsibly. Similarly, compounded GLP-1 medications provide more dosing flexibility, lower cost, and opportunities to address side effects with supportive add-ins like B12 or glycine. The conversation closes with a call to action for providers to learn more about compounding, embrace its potential, and collaborate with trusted pharmacists to expand patient options and improve outcomes.

Disclaimer: The content provided in this podcast is for informational purposes only and is not intended as medical advice nor as a substitute for professional medical consultation, diagnosis, or treatment. Always seek the advice of your physician or other qualified health provider with any questions you may have regarding a medical condition.Show More

Is Social Media Giving You Bad Medical Advice? | Dr. John with Shaunna & Chrizelle Ransom

Dr. Sanders brings on Shaunna and good friend, Chrizelle Ransom, to ...

Dr. Sanders brings on Shaunna and good friend, Chrizelle Ransom, to discuss the challenges of navigating medical information in the age of social media and algorithms. The discussion covers how ...attention-driven platforms reward controversy and “rage bait,” leading to viral misinformation that hooks people emotionally rather than logically. Dr. John and guests share personal experiences, such as how simple searches about household problems led to algorithmic spirals, and caution that seemingly harmless engagement can quickly expose users to harmful or misleading medical content.

The conversation also unpacks the psychological forces that make misinformation persuasive, including rhetoric, emotional appeals, and the phenomenon of “anti-expert bias,” where trained professionals are dismissed while influencers with little expertise gain trust simply by being relatable. Shaunna and Chrizelle note how historic failures within medicine and the healthcare system’s time constraints have eroded public trust, making people more vulnerable to misinformation and bias. But John counters that building trust through humility, time, and genuine listening emerges as a critical counterbalance.

Finally, the podcast emphasizes both patient and provider humility. Patients must recognize their own biases and stay open to trustworthy guidance, while providers should communicate transparently and admit uncertainty where it exists. The episode closes by highlighting practical tools, such as examine.com for supplement evidence and Open Evidence AI for accessing peer-reviewed medical data, which can help both providers and patients sift through the noise of online health information to make better, evidence-based decisions.

Disclaimer: The content provided in this podcast is for informational purposes only and is not intended as medical advice nor as a substitute for professional medical consultation, diagnosis, or treatment. Always seek the advice of your physician or other qualified health provider with any questions you may have regarding a medical condition.

0:00 Learning, Knowledge, and Misinformation
0:32 Meet Criselle Ransom and Shauna Sanders
2:39 Why We Love Learning
4:37 Learning Beyond Careers and Capitalism
7:31 Why All Learning Is Hands-On
10:20 How Human Knowledge Expands
15:42 How Gaps and Mistakes Drive Discovery
16:46 Humility and the Courage to Change Your Mind
21:31 From Card Catalogs to the Information Age
22:15 The Hidden Economy of Information
27:48 Influencers, Monetization, and Online Credibility
31:11 Rage Bait and Algorithmic Manipulation
34:00 How Social Media Creates Information Rabbit Holes
38:32 Ethos, Pathos, and Logos: How Content Persuades You
43:09 Anti-Expert Bias in Medicine
47:37 Why People Distrust the Medical Establishment
49:23 Rebuilding Trust Through Time and Humility
55:56 Anchoring Bias and Medical Decisions
58:08 C-Sections and the Real-World Harm of Anchoring Bias
1:04:28 Consumers Need Humility Too
1:06:57 Evidence-Based Tools: Examine.com and OpenEvidence AI
1:12:07 How to Vet Information on Social Media
1:14:45 Retraining Your Social Media Algorithm
1:16:28 Final ThoughtsShow More

Dr. Sanders and Paige Moore | A Medical Student’s Journey Toward DPC

Dr. John interviews Paige Moore, a third-year medical student, who ...

Dr. John interviews Paige Moore, a third-year medical student, who shares her inspiring journey through medical education and how she became passionate about direct primary care (DPC). Initially drawn to ...medicine because of her interest in whole-person care and community health, Paige discovered DPC during her first year of medical school and was struck by its alignment with her values. She reflects on the shortcomings of the traditional insurance-based healthcare model, especially the rushed appointments and administrative overload that distance providers from their patients. Paige shares how shadowing in a DPC clinic helped her see what medicine could look like when it’s centered on relationships and true healing.

Paige also talks about the challenges and hopes of navigating medical school with a mindset that diverges from many of her peers. While many students are focused on specialties and financial incentives, Paige is committed to primary care and is vocal about her desire to build a practice that prioritizes people over productivity. She describes the tension between what she's learning in the classroom and what she sees modeled in innovative practices like DPC, and how important it is to find mentors and communities that support her vision.

Finally, Paige offers advice to other students who feel called to a more meaningful kind of medicine. She encourages them to ask hard questions, seek out nontraditional experiences, and trust that they can carve their own path even within a rigid system. Her story is one of conviction, clarity, and quiet rebellion — a reminder that the future of medicine is shaped by those willing to imagine and pursue something better.

Disclaimer: The content provided in this podcast is for informational purposes only and is not intended as medical advice nor as a substitute for professional medical consultation, diagnosis, or treatment. Always seek the advice of your physician or other qualified health provider with any questions you may have regarding a medical condition.Show More

Dr. Sanders & Zac Lovingier | Navigating Affordable Care for Families and Small Businesses

Dr. John and Shaunna dive into coverage with Zac Lovingier, an ...

Dr. John and Shaunna dive into coverage with Zac Lovingier, an experienced healthcare insurance broker, about the complexities of health insurance, particularly for small business owners, individuals, and families. Zac ...shares his journey in healthcare, beginning as a social worker and later transitioning into the insurance industry in 2005. His mission has always been to help people navigate the confusing world of Medicare and health insurance, offering clients tailored advice that benefits their needs rather than selling high-commission products. Zac emphasizes the importance of building a brokerage where trust and client advocacy are prioritized over profit margins.

The conversation shifts to the impact of the Affordable Care Act (ACA) and how it changed the insurance landscape, particularly for individuals with pre-existing conditions. Zac explains the challenges employers face in offering health coverage, noting that many small businesses cannot afford the high costs of group plans. This often results in employees having to opt out due to high premiums, leaving them unable to access more affordable plans through the ACA. Zac advocates for a creative approach, suggesting that employers dissolve group plans and instead offer direct primary care services (such as through Voyage Clinic) while helping employees navigate ACA subsidies to find better, affordable individual coverage.

In the final segment, Zac and Dr. John discuss the alternative health insurance options available for individuals and families, such as health shares and indemnity plans. These options, while not traditional insurance, offer flexibility and affordability for those with specific health needs or higher incomes. They also highlight the need for careful consideration when choosing between health shares, ACA plans, or indemnity plans, as each has different levels of coverage and cost structures. Ultimately, the episode provides insight into the complexities of modern healthcare and the importance of tailored insurance solutions.

Disclaimer: The content provided in this podcast is for informational purposes only and is not intended as medical advice nor as a substitute for professional medical consultation, diagnosis, or treatment. Always seek the advice of your physician or other qualified health provider with any questions you may have regarding a medical condition.Show More

Dr. John Sanders & Zack Hansen | Why Direct Primary Care Works

This episode features medical resident Zach Hansen as he interviews ...

Direct Primary Care: Why Patients and Doctors Want Healthcare to Feel Personal Again

This introductory episode features Dr. John Sanders along with his ...

This introductory episode features Dr. John Sanders along with his wife, Shaunna, and psychologist Mark Mauzy, discussing the adventure of starting a direct primary care clinic. Direct Primary Care as ...a model of healthcare delivery is gaining traction across the United States, in spite of, or perhaps because of, its grassroots, hyper-local nature. John talks about the experiences that drove him to chart a different course in healthcare and the ways that the direct care model has enabled him to deliver better medical care to the clients he serves.

The conversation encompasses the importance of connection and trust in the doctor/patient relationship, the pain points of the current insurance-driven healthcare system, and the ways that direct primary care disrupts and innovates in the space to alleviate those pain points. Mark Mauzy shares his own experiences in direct primary care and the ways it has changed his perspective on healthcare. Shaunna discusses the challenges they faced with a new entrepreneurial venture and teaches about the importance of stories in healthcare and in our lives more broadly.

Disclaimer: The content provided in this podcast is for informational purposes only and is not intended as medical advice nor as a substitute for professional medical consultation, diagnosis, or treatment. Always seek the advice of your physician or other qualified health provider with any questions you may have regarding a medical condition.

0:00 Introduction: Dr. John, Shaunna Sanders, and Mark Mauzy
2:01 What Feels Broken About Modern Healthcare
3:54 The Difference Personal Care Makes
6:54 Insurance Confusion and a Painful Billing Experience
10:50 Why Dr. John Wanted a Different Way to Practice Medicine
13:41 Delayed Care, Limited Access, and Rising Costs
16:32 Deciding to Buck the Healthcare System
18:21 The Risk of Starting Without Insurance Contracts
23:21 What Is Direct Primary Care?
25:12 How Direct Care Changed Dr. John and His Family
29:51 House Calls and Intentional Doctor-Patient Connection
32:29 Why Your Story Matters in Healthcare
37:55 The Gift of Being Known
42:13 How to Listen Without Trying to Fix Everything
45:36 How Voyage Clinics Addresses Healthcare Pain Points
47:27 Affordable Care Without Copays or Deductibles
49:17 Lower-Cost MRIs, Labs, and Medical Services
51:42 Rapid Answers During a Frightening MRI Experience
53:44 Closing Thoughts and the Future of the PodcastShow More

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